tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post7027560941263096949..comments2024-03-28T15:55:33.435-07:00Comments on The Big Study: UFOs and History: a loser's game?The Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-79491468576338503972010-01-30T13:37:28.053-08:002010-01-30T13:37:28.053-08:00Agreed; Vallee is very bright (and I have all of h...Agreed; Vallee is very bright (and I have all of his books, too). <br /><br />I think he's *partially* right on the conspiracy aspect: at some point in history certain groups found it convenient to convince people that UFOs were real and responsible for all sorts of shenanigans. Not all of these groups are government agencies, either. <br /><br />BUT...that doesn't mean that each and every government involvement with UFOs is part of the conspiracy, and I think that's where Vallee goes off the rails. I think his early experiences with Hynek (as chronicled in 'Revelations') led to and solidified this attitude.<br /><br />This doesn't affect his work in the field but it colors his conclusions.Steve Muisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-62313118171743500512010-01-30T12:37:36.137-08:002010-01-30T12:37:36.137-08:00Generally agreed. To say that Jacques sees conspir...Generally agreed. To say that Jacques sees conspiracy in this is putting it mildly, as I'm sure that he'd agree. Another thing, though, Jacques Vallee is a very intelligent man, and his ideas don't necessarily stand still year after year--so I never want to say that what anyone wrote some time ago is exactly what they believe today. My good buddy Jerry would certainly agree to that, and I think that the person who never changes anything never grows.The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-31763429764488782302010-01-30T12:24:00.636-08:002010-01-30T12:24:00.636-08:00Its my opinion that Vallee misinterprets the memo ...Its my opinion that Vallee misinterprets the memo in a very substantive way. He interprets it as meaning that Batelle was recommending 'simulating' a UFO wave or waves.<br /><br />I read the memo as meaning 'Stake out an area that's high in UFO activity. Fly a variety of stuff through there without telling the observers. This will allow us to screen any REAL UFO reports from misinterpretations of the scheduled activity, which will filter the wheat from the chaff and give us a solid database of reports from known, good observers.<br /><br />'It will also, at worst, let us determine how badly people misperceive known phenomena.'<br /><br />Vallee seems to see some sort of conspiracy behind this.Steve Muisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-88997814031993105682010-01-28T18:15:35.073-08:002010-01-28T18:15:35.073-08:00All we have on Battelle is in the Blue Book microf...All we have on Battelle is in the Blue Book microfilm [which includes the so-called "pentacle" letter. My view and Jacques' are very different on this. I'll try to post something later on Battelle/Pentacle. There is recently [on the web] a lot of bunk being thrown about [not by Jacques] on Battelle and I suppose I should toss my two cents in.The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-77079222248267569792010-01-28T17:15:02.907-08:002010-01-28T17:15:02.907-08:00Dear Professor,
Great stuff as always. A few year...Dear Professor,<br /><br />Great stuff as always. A few years back I had contact with the people who made the remarks concerning the Old Guard. I feel pretty confident in ignoring most of what they have to say.<br /><br />Regarding the 'lack of topside inquiry' comment: to my way of thinking that points to a second group or project that's also looking at the data. It's not necessarily Roswell, either. This was the era when the intelligence agencies were increasing their presence and stature. I'd be really, really interested in just when Batelle started their analysis, or what the people named on Vallee's Pentacle Memo (found in Hynek's files!) would have to say.Steve Muisenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-85308661615965172922010-01-27T08:06:36.161-08:002010-01-27T08:06:36.161-08:00As to the document trail being a few miles long, i...As to the document trail being a few miles long, it is. When one immerses oneself in the real stuff, one is no longer any sort of skeptic of the reality of the anomaly. As to the posted stuff setting up the "Twining memo". you guessed it.The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-16029091789207198412010-01-27T06:24:21.904-08:002010-01-27T06:24:21.904-08:00"Something is really flying around" - as..."Something is really flying around" - as our new generation of saucer-ologists would say, "way cool," with an added "dude!" if necessary. Great post, especially in light of your comments on history the other day. We can debate the reality of the phenomenon until the cows come home, but the documents tell a story of how seriously the mystery was taken in some circles. Look forward to the book, which, if I understand it correctly, takes this as it's focus and premise. The saucers leave nary a trace, but the document trail is a few miles long. <br />Does Garrett's "something is really flying around" eventually get directly translated into the famous Twining memo's statement that the "phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious," that, too, was sent to Brig. Gen. Schulgen?Peter Saucerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16349540965664679379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-88950017107324225642010-01-26T16:50:57.074-08:002010-01-26T16:50:57.074-08:00One of my favorite fantasies is being asked to com...One of my favorite fantasies is being asked to come to a strange location and when I walk in, there at the table are sitting Mark and Jacques and Kevin and Don and Jerry and Barry and Dick [Haines] and Ted [Bloecher] and Ted [Phillips] ... and in walk some intel agents and they say: glad you guys were willing to come. We want to show you some information that you may be able to help us with. [Admittedly, they'd have to put Jerry and Jacques on opposite sides of the table :-) but they'd both think it was worth it. ]The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-71264002265832560002010-01-26T16:01:42.353-08:002010-01-26T16:01:42.353-08:00Professor
Thank your for sharing this information....Professor<br />Thank your for sharing this information. After decades for reading about this topic I find myself, again, going back to original sources in some feeble attempt to try and understand what the phenomenon is about. (Yeah, I know, good luck on that)<br />The early stuff, such as you shared, is, for lack of a better way to put it, unfiltered. Or at least any "filtering" is now, in the light of history, more transparent. I just ordered several of the old Lorenzen books and, compared to what I see on the internet today, they are a breath of fresh air. <br />And I would also add that we owe a HUGE debt of gratitude to the old guard for all the fine (and often elegant) work they did....and the work they continue to do. One of my favorite fantasies is that I find myself waiting for an airplane (or whatever) and suddenly find myself sitting next to someone like Jacques Vallee. Or Michel. Or Hynek, in an airport lounge. Yeah, I know, kinda late for some of them but still. <br />Keep up the good work.MnDochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00436488742605068922noreply@blogger.com