tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post9114287548364452663..comments2024-03-28T15:55:33.435-07:00Comments on The Big Study: BELL's, BOOKS, and CANDLESThe Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-48633554469719797162012-12-18T06:06:21.582-08:002012-12-18T06:06:21.582-08:00Somewhat of a wisecrack remark... disappointed. An...Somewhat of a wisecrack remark... disappointed. Anyone interested in this from a research point of view can get plenty of information about the debate about the Allagash case. I have nothing secretive nor unique. It IS a complicated case and it WOULD take a long time to unravel it --- way too much for some tag-on discussion to another post. Give me a break. I obviously have no deep love for the case [no emotional attachment] or I'd not have mentioned it in these terms. The comment that I'm holding back something on a case that I consider not particularly germane to the reality of the core UFOlogical phenomenon is a slap in the face and not very thoughtful on top of that. The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-23533426730741398292012-12-17T19:45:17.518-08:002012-12-17T19:45:17.518-08:00You're not saying you're simply afraid of ...You're not saying you're simply afraid of giving comfort to the "enemy"? Oh...Terry the Censorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13361088223337740598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-71480812509227749362012-10-21T09:14:38.194-07:002012-10-21T09:14:38.194-07:00Mr. Aldrich
Your reference to Campbell editorial i...Mr. Aldrich<br />Your reference to Campbell editorial in September 1947 mentioning alien abductions was new to me. I checked a copy of that issue of Astounding and the Editorial was titled "Elementary Applications" and devoted to the uses of some elements of the Periodic Table. Can you please check your data? I am very interested in such a quote.<br /><br />Regards<br />DEII 99https://www.blogger.com/profile/15868613533369371527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-35838433552098104162012-10-20T13:37:40.535-07:002012-10-20T13:37:40.535-07:00Well, 99, we did not get this deep in the weeds. ...Well, 99, we did not get this deep in the weeds. My comments were something on the order that most abductions contain volumes of testimony which lead nowhere. No insight to something new. No knowledge which could not be found on earth. Now if we go back to Campbell in his Sept 1947 eidtorial in Astounding Sci Fic that people could easily be kidnapped and released only to tell confused silly tales of their time with out worlders. One abduction which caught my attention involved a witness who claimed little knowledge of math, but the entities seemed to try to teach him higher math, through something akin to analytical geometry. However, my personal assessment of Jacobs, Mack, and Hopkins is skeptical. However, on abductions Phil Klass has to line up behind me. I did express interest in the Hills, Bluff Ledge and some others, but not for the literal reasons you seem to think to discard them.Jan Aldrichhttp://www.project1947.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-77688989397133887232012-10-20T07:26:29.450-07:002012-10-20T07:26:29.450-07:00Thanks for your opinions on these matters. While I...Thanks for your opinions on these matters. While I agree with some of it, I do not with others [and, by the way, I'll not open some lengthy back-and-forth argument --- that's not the function of this blog, nor worth the effort of my rare free time]. Some people are lumpers --- seeing the anomaly in those aspects which are similar and potentially insightful. Some people are splitters --- even so severely that they rapidly discard whole narratives at the sign of an imperfection in their eyes. The readers of this blog are, to my awareness, very intelligent and open-minded people who, if interested, will read much more than they get here and make up their own minds. The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-70311004626997709532012-10-20T07:17:48.339-07:002012-10-20T07:17:48.339-07:00... too much Bell's OBERON and Amber Ale ---&g...... too much Bell's OBERON and Amber Ale ---> Missing Time. But never fear: you didn't say anything that anyone else understood all weekend [although we have sent the recordings to Homeland Security]. The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-10176697918831865752012-10-20T03:03:18.593-07:002012-10-20T03:03:18.593-07:00It has been very interesting to learn about your o...It has been very interesting to learn about your opinions on abductions. <br />Your preference for very old ones, to say the least, reflects (besides the point that all are getting older) a welcomed and sobering view on modern Ufology.<br />Nevertheless, those old cases are also full of holes. I would like to point several.<br /><br />What can I say about the Hill case that has not been already said? Well, regarding the "missing time" section, I find it debatable when two reasonable people such as Pflock and Brookesmith cannot even agree on a timetable. Add to it the local insights provided here (http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/009378.html) and I am satisfied to think it was a fabulation under hypnosis based on Betty dreams. Reading "Captured" you also find many other details that point against an ETH interpretations of the incident and its aftermath.<br /><br />I have read somewhere that Ron Westrum considered that in the Stanford's triple abduction the investigation was tainted by Len Stringfield, who made leading questions and showed drawing of entities to the witnesses before they "remembered" seeing them. In any case, the fact is that the 3 ladies gave substantial DIFFERENT (I would even say incompatible) stories of their time aboard.<br /><br />The same happens with the Buff Ledge case. As I wrote years ago (in a Spanish bulletin, sorry), even if Webb pointed up to 24 similarities between the stories recovered from the two witnesses (who at some time where hypnotized by the same professional, even if they had not discussed the incident between them, which indeed they somehow did when meeting after 10 years, in a terrible flaw of the investigation), the differences were much more glaring. Let me mention a couple:<br /><br />+ Both descriptions of the entities are quite different: green vs white skin, deep vs bulging eyes, etc.<br />+ Michael described Janet on a table dressed in her swinsuit; she recalled her as naked and under a sheet.<br />+ Webb insists both described a similar group of monitors, but in fact they placed at different places, with different details, and not manned in the same way.<br />+ Even if both witnesses said to have seen each other aboard the ufo, the circumstances described are quite different.<br /><br />It is even funny (seem with hindsight) the insistence of investigators to find similarities between the stories told by the witnesses of shared abductions, passing over the much more clear differences. Another clamorous example of this is the Allagash "Four" that I dissected here (http://www.ufoupdateslist.com/2001/oct/m14-004.shtml). But the situation is worse when they tried to point out similarities with other cases. For example, Webb quoted in his defense a Spanish case: Ucero, August 28th, 1968. In fact, this case was never an humanoid case and when investigated at the site, it was explained as a faulty power line. Beware!<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />DEII 99https://www.blogger.com/profile/15868613533369371527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-29559784360611937082012-10-19T19:14:39.996-07:002012-10-19T19:14:39.996-07:00Missing time! I remember flying to Chicago, drivi...Missing time! I remember flying to Chicago, driving to Kalamazoo, riding down the road and noting some very attractive Western Michigan co-eds (does anyone use this term any more?) in those yoga pants. Ah! The next thing I remember is being on the plane back to Hartford. What weekend?Jan Aldrichhttp://www.project1947.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-58163905494340412852012-10-19T15:06:27.063-07:002012-10-19T15:06:27.063-07:00You were missed my friend. We needed someone there...You were missed my friend. We needed someone there to keep Robert, Richard, and Jan in line. If the guys want to, maybe we can do it again after fighting past the Kzoo winter. April or June. The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-64432847071045832492012-10-19T14:31:00.718-07:002012-10-19T14:31:00.718-07:00So sorry to have missed the gathering,unfortunatel...So sorry to have missed the gathering,unfortunately the gods were against me this time (shaking fist at sky). Glad it went well and look forward to the next one.....Steve https://www.blogger.com/profile/04695487678746479451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-77560142814249948782012-10-18T16:06:34.340-07:002012-10-18T16:06:34.340-07:00This would take a lot of time and still not be ver...This would take a lot of time and still not be very satisfying. Permit me to get away with simply saying that the people at the meeting are uncomfortable with the possibility of extreme collusion between the witnesses and the apparent fact that one of the four has wanted to bail out on his buddies on the claim from almost the beginning. When guys like myself and the fellows at the meeting want to defend the reality of the phenomenon, we tend to become really hard sells, as when you put a set of cases out there the debunkers go directly for the weakest link and then smear everything over with the resultant fog and criticism. ... I'm going to leave it at that. The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-33169383279977298982012-10-18T14:41:00.620-07:002012-10-18T14:41:00.620-07:00Hi, Whats the issue with the Allagash case- I thou...Hi, Whats the issue with the Allagash case- I thought it was well investigated.<br /><br />John.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-35756061637330629672012-10-17T20:32:42.424-07:002012-10-17T20:32:42.424-07:00Thanks to The Professor for a very enjoyable and e...Thanks to The Professor for a very enjoyable and engaging time. But beyond the cerebral exercising, I must say that the Kalamazoo beer was very tasty. Both the amber ale and the stout. For you beer aficionados, I highly recommend the Kalamazoo brews. Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12539157656501925987noreply@blogger.com