tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post1943931485842851331..comments2024-03-24T20:16:30.097-07:00Comments on The Big Study: Can we learn anything from UFO Photos?, part six.The Professorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-70482825606267647572013-11-04T15:49:35.256-08:002013-11-04T15:49:35.256-08:00HOLA , Sra. Susan
La publicación "Un estudio...HOLA , Sra. Susan <br />La publicación "Un estudio sobre los ovnis" la leimos con nuestra familia cuando tenia 12 años , en 1972 , hasta hoy día se comercializa acá en el Perú , vía internet por Mercado Libre , este libro es un clásico para los investigadores sobre los Ovnis en nuestro país.<br />Bueno en las fotográfias , incluso una de ellas donde se le ve bien moza con su fallecido esposo y James Lorenz , resaltan en esta publicación que en lo personal aprecio y esta bien conservada en nuestra biblioteca.<br />saludos a la distancia desde Lima Perú.<br />Carlos (carlosraymundoch@hotmail.com)<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-30873368065694143282013-05-31T19:16:16.432-07:002013-05-31T19:16:16.432-07:00Well, hello. I was an admirer of Richard and an ea...Well, hello. I was an admirer of Richard and an early-ish [not founding] member of the International Society for Cryptozoology till its demise. I attended several ISC conventions even including the one in Edinburgh, Scotland. And, even though I was more specialized in UFOlogy, wrote a major article for Richard, on which he helped a great deal to make me look better. <br /><br />As to the case: it's a longshot, but absolutely yes I'd like to know if he writes of it in the book. That book needs to be translated by the way --- sign me up for the first copy. Also, I don't know if Richard had any of his old UFO files still extant, but they would be valuable to preserve. <br /><br />Thanks for the post/comment. The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-31786607553318353362013-05-31T17:26:15.327-07:002013-05-31T17:26:15.327-07:00Hello,
I just found this entry as I am researching...Hello,<br />I just found this entry as I am researching our involvement with the ufo field for a forthcoming memoir. "Our" is myself, (Hope) Susan Vilsick-Greenwell and my husband J. Richard Greenwell (died Nov 1, 2005). Yes, we were young then. And he was APRO's rep in Peru from mid-1967 to Nov, 1968, when we left Peru to come to the USA. From that time he worked in the APRO office until Mar, 1973, when he left to pursue other interests. <br /><br />Regarding Richard's book, "Un Estudio Sobre los Ovnis," it was written and published while we were still in Lima, Peru (Oct, 1968). not later in USA.<br />I assisted with investigations and the actual production of the book. As I am proficient in Spanish, I could look at it and see if the case you speak of is in it (I have not looked at the book in many years, so can't remember without reading it. <br /><br />Cheers!!!!!!! HopeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-56884855900510903242012-07-20T12:31:02.032-07:002012-07-20T12:31:02.032-07:00"People are afraid to really take the step of..."People are afraid to really take the step of commitment to the view that by far the strongest hypothesis associated with the UFO mystery is that it is a physical reality, it is technology, and we humans can't do it."<br /><br />Prof why can't it be technology beyond us AND terrestially and off-planetarily located electromagnetic entities AND time travellers AND...?<br /><br />[A lot of people say if there's advanced life out there we'd be like ants to them but 'they' may find us 'ants' just as fascinating as some of our scientists (and me) find our ants (besides ants like so many other insects're increasingly exhibiting far more signs of high intelligent and awareness than the egos of many of us can presently take)].<br /><br />And surely if any species becomes sufficiently technologically advanced then sooner or later it's go'n'o become aware of and eventually enter into communications with just such electromagnetics/jinn and possibly even time travellers.<br /><br />ps<br /><br />I 'blew up' the photo too and it does indeed resemble the Space Shuttle - it has a similar blunt nose and the rear section even tilts upwards.<br /><br />In Frank John Reid's defence though and speaking as an artist it is possible to read the undershadowing as being indicative of an extremely foreshortened 'flying wing' of some type.alanborkynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-86621915973530404112012-07-20T05:30:25.208-07:002012-07-20T05:30:25.208-07:00I just "blew up" the photo above [which ...I just "blew up" the photo above [which is probably a lot better anyway than the one on the front of Moseley's mag] and what it looks to me that it could be [rather than a "bullet" or a "flying wing"] something shaped more like the Space Shuttle. This is a little like seeing faces in clouds though, so I'm not claiming anything.The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-87532113234262477522012-07-20T05:24:25.168-07:002012-07-20T05:24:25.168-07:00Interesting remarks, Frank. I have very little of ...Interesting remarks, Frank. I have very little of substance to add, but here are a few shallow thoughts: <br /><br />1). There is no way that this is a Moseley hoax initially. This story comes directly out of the Peruvian/Bolivian border area and was looked into a bit at least by the Peruvian government. Moseley would have been a pretty unlikely stimulator of such a thing as far back as 1951, when he still was relatively "normal" about his approach to UFOs. So, my view of Moseley's role in this is: he's down in Peru in Lima [not back in the "bush"] artifact collecting. He's interested in UFOs and spreads that around. This guy Bardi comes up to him and tells him his story [bogus or not] which is piggy-backed onto the stories from Puerta Maldonado of one[?]/two[?] years previous. Moseley is interested and goes to the Lima papers and secures a copy of the photo, which he later publishes in his new magazine. [with the wrong date and the Bardi story]. UFOlogy gets the date wrong courtesy of him, and maybe accepts a bogus tag-on story from Bardi [or maybe it's legit but with no corroboration]. <br /><br />2). According to Aviation history, we were dismantling all the flying wings by then not increasing our range of testing them. Testing them over dangerous remote mountain forested areas like the Peruvian-Bolivian border stretches the imagination more than the thing being a product of jungle shamanist psychokinesis would. There is not even a landing facility nor proper Air Base anywhere in sight. Plus the security issues on the ground wherever that would be. That part of your hypothesis I'd have to pretty strongly reject. <br /><br />3). IF in fact this thing is shaped like a flying wing and not like a blunt rocket [I can't see it, but I'll give you that as a talking point], then it's right in line with the UFO from Albuquerque' Sandia witnesses during the Lubbock affair. The hypothesis then might be rather that this was another design-imitator for whatever purposes "they" have in doing that. One thing that I DO note, though, is that no one but you describes this object as a flying wing. To sustain your hypothesis you will have to say that the government and the press and the American attache could not see what you do, and they were looking at a better photo.The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-42401393075986391842012-07-19T17:06:09.397-07:002012-07-19T17:06:09.397-07:00In the mid-1990s I did a very modest bit of work o...In the mid-1990s I did a very modest bit of work on this photo. At the time, there was great interest in alleged tests of hypersonic U.S. secret aircraft. One (at least) type left beads-on-a-string trails, photos of which were published in venues like Aviation Week and Space Technology (Phil Klass's old home base). This was said to be an advanced pulse-jet engine technology, in which one wall of the combustion chamber was actually the shock wave of the craft's multi-Mach travel through the atmosphere! But pulse-jets are more familiarly the engines of the V-1 "buzz bombs" the Germans sent against English targets in World War 2.<br /><br />The trail of the Peruvian object--part of which IS reflected in the water--shows an obvious intermittent pulse, either of condensation at vapor-trail height or of smokey exhaust. I thought this an unlikely feature for a UFO (others at CUFOS disagreed; you couldn't predict UFO "technological features," they said). I also thought it a complex effect for a hoax, and no movie (made by anyone) ever turned up to justify pains taken.<br /><br />CUFOS then had a very good xerographic copier--pretty much an analog device, without pixelization problems. I blew the best copy available to us (I think it was this NEXUS copy, but it just possibly may have been that in Moseley's book)way up in successive iterations.<br /><br />If this process didn't introduce artifacts (& I thought it didn't!), what showed up was surprising. The object isn't a cigar. It's a flying wing, or nearly that shape, caught in a straight-on side view. The small "dot" on the front end is actually (or at least very, very likely is) part of a "greenhouse" of windows like those in a World War 2 bomber, meant to give wide view to pilots and other crew.<br /><br />It LOOKED like a test of an earthly technology, presumably American, but in an unexpected place. However, in reading Cold War history, one finds hints of rather proactive American activities in South and Central America (MAYBE just as Great Britain imposed on Australia for testing grounds for nuclear tests and lesser military technology). Secret technology tested in a very secret place just might be successfully secretly discarded.<br /><br />I am well aware, however, that the Ghost Fliers over 1930s Scandanavia, and the Ghost Rockets of ca. 1946, both LOOKED like contemporary technologies--just somewhat advanced, and somewhat recklessly used/tested. But nobody could ever trace 'em to a contemporary origin.<br /><br />I know that Jim Moseley, who (egged on by Gray Barker) never scrupled to "keep the saucer pot stirred" by hoaxes and other antics, isn't the greatest source for anything. But remember that he got to look at USAF files because of his father (General George Van Horn Moseley), even though he was really rather estranged from his old man. In his book, he doesn't admit to this photo being one of his japes, at least.<br /><br />Frank John ReidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-47466595076985812772012-07-19T15:36:48.319-07:002012-07-19T15:36:48.319-07:00Yeh, there's no way to tell is there? There ha...Yeh, there's no way to tell is there? There has been an idea out there for a long time in UFOlogy that if a very strong EM field would pass through an Oxygen/Nitrogen/Carbon Dioxide atmosphere under just the right conditions, that an unstable CNO ring structure might be produced chemically. That "stuff" would slowly hang around or drift downwards. After a relatively short semi-stable existence, it would de-stabilize and go "poof". Yep, it was an "angelhair" theory. There is part of this very story above which has something drifting down... though given the three-case confusion, who knows if it was related to the picture event?The Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07811807639219365621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2019724693487670016.post-43504941674137443982012-07-19T13:07:00.848-07:002012-07-19T13:07:00.848-07:00Hello, Prof.
I wonder if the 'dense smoke tr...Hello, Prof.<br /><br /> I wonder if the 'dense smoke trail'is not exhaust from the object, but a result of the object passing through the sky. Much like a magnet arranging iron filings on glass or a boat leaving a wake, perhaps the passage of the object arranges the atmosphere in some fashion and this is what we see in the photo. The trail also looks like the famous 'beads on a string' exhaust from the alleged Aurora. <br /><br />Regards,<br /><br /> richardrichardnoreply@blogger.com